This achievement never seems to work for me ;p. 500 tries later and pretty sure you have to fall straight down at the exact spot where you need to be to assassinate (i.e. Start the Pillar of Autumn mission (Difficulty does not matter) Melee / Jump your way to the cliff to avoid a checkpoint; Wait until the Elite is in a good location and stop melee'ing to get the checkpoint; Save & Quit the game. well ive gotten the distance part down....i was ending the sprint too early...but now i gotta get the timing down for the assasanation....lol..i even killed him once w/ the hit..but i still died...lol. Yeah, took about an hour here. *sigh* what a relief it was when I got it. did. \"Assassination\" is not the same as beatdown. Just glad i can keep the remainder of my sanity now this is done!!! Thanks again for the advice!! This I can confirm is important as I tried hundreds of attempts without doing this and then when I tried it I got it almost effortlessly on mine AND my wife's account. I now have 150 assassinations but no achievement. Stage : Beginning of Pillar of Autumn (Where you look down over the cliff with Good luck! Negative, Ghostrider. Make sure you HOLD melee. And yet no achievement whatsoever... Just keep at it is the best way to go for this. You will see that you take no damage at all. The set ur Jump 2 like 500% or higher. It IS possible, but it is the hardest achievement in the game. Halo: Reach is a first-person shooter video game set in the Halouniverse and direct prequel to Halo: Combat Evolved, depicting the Fall of Reach. Will try nightfall but not very hopeful. )(Do this! with this one. I got this on Legendary (just because i was playing it, DO NOT DO ON EASY) on the level "Nightfall". hope this helps everyone. I read all of the comments and tried to do it all, and I think it just comes down to luck and/or precise timing. Halo 2A MP: Kill an opponent that has the Legendary Anniversary achievement. Watch the Elite below and get his pattern/timing down. Halo: Reach Achievements. If i wasnt a person who had to complete a game completly i would have given up on this achievement a long time ago. alert anyone but the other elite. this took me a few tries but then i got it yippi!! The only thing I changed which I think made it unlock was I stopped pushing forward as I assassinated the elite. It was the moment when I got the achievement. I recently tried this on Normal, made the jump, got the assassination cut scene several times but the achievement did not pop. At the start, you will come to the edge of the cliff. It may take a few tries before it pops. Hopefully this helps some of you guys and gals. "If your lunge is too forward it will slow your fall and this achievement will not be triggered as you are no longer traveling at a terminal velocity. Just in case for people still having trouble. But oh, how I wish it was... 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The two REACHable (GEDDIT?! continue along the trail until you get a checkpoint (just so you have a close place to re=try from)then move a little way back along the trail, maybe a few meters, just so you are over looking the purple tall thing (I don't know what it is called or what it does)the elite moves around quite fast so watch the full circuit a few times to get a feel and then when he is nearest the cliff run and jump off and assassinate, I found. animation i got the achievement. Just run and jump off the cliff at the begining of the mission when the elite is near it. Instead, quit and load up the mission again from the begining (pillar of autumn). Halo: Reach is Bungies final hurrah into the land of Halo and if you're looking to pick up all the achievements and are wondering how to get the If They Only Came To Hear Me Beg achievement, you're in the right place! nailed that elite fucker first shot. As you round the cliffside, look down and you'll see an Elite hovering around a dead truck with a bunch of Grunts. I swear, getting an elite aimed -just- right is ticking me off -_- I'm so going to watch a video here in a sec. add me Gamertag : molnar17 This assassination mirrors Emile-A239's death by the hands of a Sangheili Zealot in the Halo: Reach mission The Pillar of Autumn. It is a prequel, dealing with the events described in the Expanded Universe novel The Fall of Reach. Just got this on my 3rd attempt. Halo 3 logo: Play any campaign level in Halo 3 on Xbox Live. This one is really tuff but I finally got it. I think the game only gives you the achievement when it feels like it. I'm no longer sure what to do here. Wait until he's not facing you. If you look down theres an elite (MAKE SURE HE STAYS IN THAT SPOT) switch to your magnum and also make sure that the difficulty is on legendary, as you are trying to increase your chances of death. Please don't make crap achievements again. also, do NOT "revert to save;" instead, RESTART THE LEVEL, skip the video, and you have to do it right the first time. Remember to click LB in the air to 'turn run off' and time your jump carefully! I didn't even get to finish the game because I was trying to get this stupid achivement and now my xbox quit ready any copies of Halo Reach........ LAME! )(Do that!)!!!! On Nightfall the Elite is much closer so you can worry less about the running and jumping and more about the assassination. Despite what the achievement description says, the fall does not need to be fatal. So there is no need to restart mission. GLITCH GLITCH GLITCH - I'm assuming Black eye skull and two grenades, people! Damn frustrating. But I dont think its glitched and if it is itill only stop u 1c or A Monument to All Your Sins was a far easier achievement than this :/, i have tried this one a million times and i get the clip of preforming it but i never get it, i stop the sprint as soon as i jump off the cliff and i still dont get it if anyone could help me id be grateful - gt LoneWolfMcQu4de. If people are successfully assassinating the elite, but are not getting the achievement, read on: Other than that, it's just luck. 10: Still Sharp: Halo: Reach: Beat the par score on ONI: Sword . Did you "Restart Level" instead of "Load Last Save"? But I'm sure that others can get in a way fewer attempts than I did. Halo: Reach: Beat the par score on every Halo: Reach level. U can Equipe Jet Pack just n case. The author of this memorial edition has produced exactly the volume described. In graphic words he has described the assassination of President McKinley. First and second attempts were next to the red bush on the right when u look down, and third was on the left left near the truck! gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay gay 27th try? Mortanius comment on that is superb. Moving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After that, I'll have completed 100% of Reach. You will have to jump off near the larger rock near some bushes, when jumping you'll have to hold down the sprint ability and let go of it right before you perform the assassination move on him. lol all the noobs saying it is `glitched' yeah whatever mate. This is my second day attempt at this - spent a good couple of hours yesterday to no avail - got it within about half an hour today. To my surprise I finally got it, THANK GOD! This achieve is harder than beating the game solo, on legendary. Poor peasants. Spend hours trying to get the sneaky elite! Good luck to everybody. Did it several times, never popped up. I also did alot of research in between. the achievement works fine, i only needed 20 jumps. I got unlucky and it took me a while to get it, though. Halo: Reach will be release September 14, 2010 for the Xbox 360 Following in second is the If They Came to Hear Me Beg achievement that requires a player to survive an otherwise fatal fall by committing an assassination. Many thanks to Nightfall Inc. Load "Pillar of Autumn" on legendary and when you reach the big cliff before the small bridge and see the elite. I was actually trying to demonstrate the difficulty of it to a friend and got the achievement my first try while he was watching. 10: We'll Be Back: Halo: Reach: Beat the par score on every Halo: Reach level. After 30 minutes, 10 melee's and 5 glitched assassinations, I FINALLY GOT IT. The sprint didn't always work Did it on legendary on Pillar of autumn. missing, landing on the elites head with neither of us dying, or landing on the Still rare you actually land on him, as he's shifty. woot!! Tried all different tips being given (using pistol, cancel sprint, etc) but no luck. Let me know!? This guide will explain the best ways to earn the achievement, "One Final Firefight" - Halo: Reach: Achieve a score of 150,000 points on Lone Wolf. I just got this achievement and it was a PAIN. Sod it, got £56 trade in coz the muppet in the shop gave me the £28 trade in on a card and then gave me the game back so took it to another shop for another £28 :o) what a tool!! But I finally got it! I've done it successfully on Pillar of Autumn about 30 times now. 20: Remember Reach: Halo: Reach: Play a game of Halo: Reach on the 14th of any month. My 180 successful (recorded) assassinations in campaign trying EVERYTHING stated in this guide. Just do it again if it doesn't work. Just got it, had to perform it 3 more times to get the achievement to pop. This achievement is just glitched permanently on some consoles. :D. Is there a certain level to get the on??? I did this on my old account after hours of trying and now I have to do it again on my new account! Found insideThe New York Times bestselling aftermath of Halo: Combat Evolved featuring the Master Chief—part of the expanded universe based on the award-winning video game series! 2552. Okay I finally got it on my 50th successful assassination. you will get this if you are able to time it perfectly. It dosent matter wether u start over or start from the check point. simple!!! Wonder why this hasn't been fixed yet. 2) legendary It just seemed like an odd coincidence it unlocked on my first attempt that day. I don't jump far enough if I let go of the sprint as soon as Im off the cliff Wow, this took a little longer than it should have. I run, jump, press LB to stop the run, assassinate the elite and... nothing. Only took me a few tries after I realized i was pressing the wrong button. If early in the air you may be unable to reach an elite, if late you could over jump elite. I only had three more achievements on reach to do and this one was one of them. here here almost had it though frickin elite moved, I have a video posted on bungie.net on this one look up love pison 911 and download the video. This is ridiculous! Good luck! This achievement just put this game in the trash bin. Don't even go there on this one. The guide is poor and wrong. I actually did the opposite of #153 and succeeded on my second try... how odd. grow some. I'm still wondering why I didn't get the achievement the first time I got the animantion; and yes I stopped Sprint during the jump. To everyone saying that they did it but the achievement didn't pop: You have to cancel the sprint about midway down. You can do it on any difficulty, except easy. This achievement DOES seem to be glitched. Basically don't re-spawn from the check point just before the jump, re-start the mission from pressing start. Unless it's a pretty quick and easy fix. The Elite will back up and put you in reach to hit him. Or none at all.. Or days.. Achievement Tip: If They Came to Hear Me Beg - Perform an Assassination against an Elite to survive a fall that would've been fatal. 3. If your coming up short its because your turing off your sprint too early, In which case, get on it 343i. Moral of the story - do on Legendary difficulty only. I found going back and forth kind of screwed my timing and distance up making it harder and more time consuming. I figured that out just before I got it. Finally the first time i got an assassination have a huge running start but get a good one, you'll figure out your timing on I waited for him to fully do a 180 turn then I ran and jumped. to xboxlive. I've already spent over 2 hours attempting this. Just got it on Nightfall. ^ OR a glitch cuz this game has a good number of glitches, If anyone gets this far down the comment list like I did, let me help out (finally got it 2 hours in). Halo: Reach. My friend who got it on his Gamertag and has tried using my Gamertag and it just wont happen! You have to come down just close enough to assassinate but don't touch him, like with your feet or arm, before the assassination. Took me 60+ hours for those that are stuck on this cheevo :p The hardest part is not to actually land on the back of the elite, you want to be behind him and not on top of him. is it wrong that I got this on my 4th try? I got maybe 30 assassinations before the achievement clicked. I can't tell exactly how I've done it but I try my best. Two locations you cannot reach him in, two locations you can. Halo has lost its savor. I tried for awhile about 20 mins. I've spent forever on this achievement. You can get this Achievement at the very start of The Pillar of . Think I didn't turn off run with RB quick enough first two attempts. Even with all the videos and guides, it still ends up being a total crap-shoot. The jump doesnt actually kill you but you can get the acheivement here. After spending about 15 mins turning off sprint as soon as i jumped, I took 5 minutes to get it, and it worked the first time I got him. If you want to see my clip for this achievement I uploaded on Bungie.com Halo Reach File Share my gamer tag is TheXtremeEdge. i got this achievement in like 2 and a half mins (note) make sure its on at least normal worked for me. I'm getting the animation, the fall is enough to kill me (plenty of deaths to prove it!!) I didn't use the pistol either! I can't believe how long this took, the most important step for me was throwing the grenades and turning on the black eye skull. . In this volume, the authors reflect on the question “what is socialism” as it pertains to today’s economy. There is particular emphasis on democratic socialism models as a potential alternative to classic authoritarian socialism. Good luck! Literally 5 minutes ago I got it!!! Hope bungie fixes it, shouldn't be RNG of having to retry and do the exact same thing over and over until your hand falls off when they eventually just go, ok, we'll give it to you. You start the game and have to assassinate the first Elite. Achievement popped on my first try. Took me about half an hour...even when i was following the instructions exactly, I found that it worked only when I waited for Emile to move from his spot after he says "He'll race you". It was my first try and Paid £18, got £56 back.... /me is a happy chappy and this achievement can still suck my big fat one! B: you are better to play on heroic or legendary to ensure the fall will kill you as you can survive it alot of the time on normal. seemed to work first time with this, but i did try like 40 times without this method before. I came up with it but never got 2 try it. This achievement has caused me more hassle and time spent then beating the campaign on heroic. i agree halo reach is't good This usually takes multiple attempts and can be tough to trigger. How could this achievement have made it into the game in the first place? I got a heads up from some of my friends that this was a tough 1. yes, doing this on Nightfall is way easier.. got it in like 10 minutes! It's still a shitty achievement and i'm still pretty angry about it. -use the handgun @Anyone who thinks this achievement is impossible. Worth a shot if you feel like you've mastered this achievement and still haven't gotten it. and When I did finally get it I did everything the same, the only difference being I had unlocked "Make it Drizzle" just prior to making another round of attempts. Step 3 I go on pillar of autumn and on my second attempt on got the stupid achievement. I just had to do it on the first jump. The visual influence of the tale on Gothic revivalism and vice versa in America is carefully documented with lavish and inventive illustrations, and Ziolkowski concludes with an examination of the explosion of interest in The Juggler of ... oh man just got it on the 15th try. Hardest part I found was the bastard kept moving out the way as I was about to hold down B, was also my second animation. I did it on "The Pillar of Autumn", same as most everyone else. You can't die from the nightfall height and i've done it from a height that would kill on Pillar of Autumn. . Tried every suggestion multiple times without success. To the middle of the street, or to the left and right in the dirt. It makes more attempts possible with less wait time. @ karmashock - again, thanks for the advice but still no luck. No glitch, no checkpoint reverting problems, just simple. Once I read that tip, I took me two try to get it on LEGENDARY. :P, yah I still don't know why you cant get it even after the animation. Seems to be glitched for me because I've done it three times already following the video's guide. Ive done the assasination about 200 times without luck. it will take a couple tries but u wanna line up ur jump an, and turn off sprint as high up as u can so u free fall longer. This is so annoying, ive literally perfected the assassination like 20times. You must play it on Legendary, or else an Elite will be missing (the one you must assassinate). I assassinated the guy on Pillar of Autumn 15 times and it gave it to me on the last one when absolutely nothing had changed in my form. So i have no idea if this will help or not but I'm on day two of trying to get this damn thing and I think i figured it out. Seasonal Challenge easy grind thread. I did this with the method I described on my 2nd Assasination animation on Legendary (4 animations on Normal hadn't got the achie). video titled pillar of autumn, gamertag: earl swagger 7 Restarting level, trying different levels, on Legendary etc etc and NOTHING has worked. Halo: Reach: Beat the par score on The Package. The Pillar of Autumn is the 10th and last mission of Halo Reach MCC and if you have been playing on legendary, completing this will unlock A Monument to All Your Sins achievement for you. kill an elite to ensure my survival cool. Even though I got Killed it, then jumped on his body and popped! Xbox Achievements is not affiliated with Microsoft or Xbox, it is owned and run by Resero Network Ltd. All other registered trademarks are the property of their respective owners. 3) Turn Sprint Off right after jump The game still thinks you are running and doesn't recognize that it would be a height big enough to kill you. I just got it! i dont have any xboxlive at the moment du to not having internet. I Don't have it as previously stated. As you are falling, fall on his back. I think on the other difficulties it is only a brute in the elite style armor and that is why everyone is having such difficulty. I got this on my fifth attempt (the previous four times I was well short or to the left of the elite so died from the fall) and got it. OK EVERYBODY , MOST GUIDES SAY TO DO THIS ON PILLAR OF AUTUMN AT THE BEGINNING BUT DONT! that comment by karmashock is true, i've been trying for weeks using the re- I attempted the "if they came to hear me beg" achievement for a few mins on the pillar of autumn mission to get it out of the way while i ws there, ya know. I did all of those things you mentioned with no luck, but I got it when I loaded the level and got it on my first jump, pretty sure any animations after don't count. Halo: Reach: Complete the Halo: Reach LASO Campaign playlist. How can I get the achievement? This isn't as hard as people make it out to be as long as you do it in this level. 5: Why Do This To Yourself? You may be shocked to survive after a well executed Assassination with no Achievement rewarded. This achievement is very easy to do if you attempt it on the level Halo . that damn elite moves in a random pattern WTF? Just got this also, had more difficulty getting the timing down, once I jumped I would turn off sprint and wait until I was right on top of him and hold down RB and got it easily. I just assassinated the first elite and then waited for the elite down below to face away. Who would think of some dumb shit like this? Here are some tips of what I did to get this achievement. I wish bungie would come out and tell you exactly how to do this cause its so glitched. I assassinated the fuck**g Elite like 30 times before the achievement popped up. this achievement is glitchy than all i seen and it's a rip off to assassins creed anyway so the achievement is risky. Also: HOLD the RB BUTTON do not click it. If you look down, you will see a semi truck on the left and a car on the right. Halo: Reach Achievement Guide. and published by Microsoft Game Studiosfor the Xbox 360 and Xbox 360 S console only. 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